I just don't get it, I guess

[Snickerdoodlesmommy]

People Magazine is now reporting that Renee Zellweger and Kenny Chesney are having their 5 month marriage annulled. :?

WHAT is WRONG with these people? and why do people think that it's perfectly okay to jump into marriage like it's a pool party and then if it doesn't work out, just hop on down to the courthouse and get it erased? :roll:

Must have been all for publicity's sake :huh:

[Moley]

This has been true in the celebrity world forever. Remember Dennis Rodman's and Carmen Electra's 9 day marriage? I think they have to keep throwing over all these starlets because you and I are taken. :mrgreen:

[SuzyQ]

It's sad. Very, very sad. :shrug:

[MargaretJ]

My question is how does it get annulled? They were married for 4 months, why do they not have to get divorced?

[Snickerdoodlesmommy]

Marriage Annulment

Marriage Annulment Grounds in the Catholic Church
Marriage Annulment Grounds:
There are very well defined canonical grounds for Marriage Annulment . Once these have been established marriage Annulment can proceed. It is important to understand the grounds for Marriage Annulment before making application, and if in doubt you should consult your local priest.


Insufficient use of reason (Canon 1095, 10)
You or your spouse did not know what was happening during the marriage ceremony because of insanity, mental illness, or a lack of consciousness. :huh:

Grave lack of discretionary judgment concerning essential matrimonial rights and duties (Canon 1095, 20) :oops:
You or your spouse was affected by some serious circumstances or factors that made you unable to judge or evaluate either the decision to marry or the ability to create a true marital relationship. :roll:

Psychic-natured incapacity to assume marital obligations (Canon 1095, 30)
You or your spouse, at the time of consent, was unable to fulfill the obligations of marriage because of a serious psychological disorder or other condition. :roll:

Ignorance about the nature of marriage (Canon 1096, sec. 1)
You or your spouse did not know that marriage is a permanent relationship between a man and a woman ordered toward the procreation of offspring by means of some sexual cooperation. :roll:

Error of person (Canon 1097, sec. 1) Reasons for Marriage Annulment
You or your spouse intended to marry a specific individual who was not the individual with whom marriage was celebrated. (For example, mail order brides; otherwise, this rarely occurs in the United States.) :P

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Now I am not a Catholic, but I think it is BS that people think they can just go and erase the last 5 months with "just because we changed our minds" kind of attitude. No doubt somebody is also tossing around a bunch of money as well. Pathetic. :x

[Sheryl]

I have to agree Linda, that it is pretty sad. Today is our 16th wedding anniversary, and I cannot imagine a day without my husband. Now you know neither one of us is perfect (well I think I am) but I can't imagine that once they made the decision to get married, they could not work at it for more than 5 months.

Sher

[FLSharon]

I think marriage in Celeb World is generally like "going steady" in High School. Except the girls don't have angora around the ring... :lol: (gonna show some age here...)

I was shocked last night on letterman's show where Charlie sheen from 2 and half Men said he and his wife are back together working it out.. they had their second kid..she was pg when they split.. said for the first time "he got dumped" and he loved her... worked it out after attorneys' were involved.. I'll bet that was tricky... :lol: Anyhow, it was good to hear. [/i]

[lllovell]

wellllllllllllllllll (and boy is this cynical) but I think annulments are all about money this day and age. If you have enough and are willing to give enough to the church, you will get on. *running for cover*

I try not to follow celeb marriages and rumors for this very reason. It has to be hard to live in the spot light, but there are all sorts of celebs that aren't crazy, wacky loopy souls that seem to do just fine with it. I have enough drama in my own life.

Laura

[Snickerdoodlesmommy]

My husband Bill (who many of you have met) have now been married 22 years and there are times when he is the greatest guy in the world and others when he drives me nuts! All in all, the only thing I would change about him is his lineage! :rofl:
(If you ever met his parents, you would no doubt agree)

These people don't need an annulment, they need counselling. Now I hear that the Insider is reporting that Tory Spelling and her dh of 1 YEAR are divorcing. :huh: Papa Aaron Spelling must be so proud.

[FLSharon]

wellllllllllllllllll (and boy is this cynical) but I think annulments are all about money this day and age. If you have enough and are willing to give enough to the church, you will get on. *running for cover*
Laura

Laura, do you have a big cover? I'm coming in.... for i totally think it's a $$ issue. Why else pay? And I just completed the paperwork for a friend who's getting one.... Mine is not to reason why......Whatever makes her happy. :roll:

[lllovell]

Come on in Sharon! I just know that religion can be a very sensitive subject.

My mother actually had her marriage to my father annuled a few years ago when she decided she wanted to join the Church. I found it to be rather disturbing on some levels (since well...my sister and I exist...and to me if you knew enough to make 2 babies {married young - lasted 4 years}...well - annulment material? the Church said yes though). It did make her happy and she joined the Church the year before she passed away and any comfort it brough her is a blessing in my book.

*shrug* to each his own.

[Rosebud]

Did I hear right, that the reason was fraud?

wellllllllllllllllll (and boy is this cynical) but I think annulments are all about money this day and age. If you have enough and are willing to give enough to the church, you will get on. *running for cover*
Laura

Laura, do you have a big cover? I'm coming in.... for i totally think it's a $$ issue. Why else pay? And I just completed the paperwork for a friend who's getting one.... Mine is not to reason why......Whatever makes her happy. :roll:
Include me in there will ya. From what I've seen and read lately that is the way it seems.

As far as the 4 months being too long for an anulment, well my aunt was married for years and got one. She was born & raised protestant, but always felt like she belonged in the Catholic Church. She was in her 70s I think when she received an anulment, converted, got baptised, confirmed, & married (to her 2nd husband). She had a very bad first marriage which I won't detail here, and because of that she found the courage to divorce him and later remarry. Even though she attended the Catholic Church for years, she was not allowed to convert or get married in Church because of her divorce. Finally many years later she found a sympathetic priest that helped her with the anulment and everything else and at the time it had nothing to do with the money.

[FLSharon]

yes, you heard right... fraud...just a legal term tho....nothing to do with his character.. :lol: :rofl: :shrug: :lmbo:

[Lady]

she thought he was worth 4 Billion and he's only worth 2 Billion
maybe they couldn't consumate the marriage - is he a he??
I'd love to know what the "fraud" part is.

And rats folks all of you beat me to it - was going to say the same thing - MONEY TALKS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Hugs Shell

[Timon]

People Magazine is now reporting that Renee Zellweger and Kenny Chesney are having their 5 month marriage annulled. :?

WHAT is WRONG with these people? and why do people think that it's perfectly okay to jump into marriage like it's a pool party and then if it doesn't work out, just hop on down to the courthouse and get it erased? :roll:

Must have been all for publicity's sake :huh:

What's wrong is that people don't know what the meaning of the word vow means, and if they do, they don't care that making a vow "before God and these witnesses" and not keeping it has consequences. We're certainly a long way from the days when a persons word was there bond.

As far as the 4 months being too long for an anulment, well my aunt was married for years and got one. She was born & raised protestant, but always felt like she belonged in the Catholic Church. She was in her 70s I think when she received an anulment, converted, got baptised, confirmed, & married (to her 2nd husband).

Karen,

I have to ask. Was she married in a Catholic church, or was a Catholic preist involved in the ceremony? If not, than I don't understand why she needed the anulment, since the marriage isn't really recognized by the Catholic church.

[Rosebud]

[quote=Rosebud]As far as the 4 months being too long for an anulment, well my aunt was married for years and got one. She was born & raised protestant, but always felt like she belonged in the Catholic Church. She was in her 70s I think when she received an anulment, converted, got baptised, confirmed, & married (to her 2nd husband).

Karen,

I have to ask. Was she married in a Catholic church, or was a Catholic preist involved in the ceremony? If not, than I don't understand why she needed the anulment, since the marriage isn't really recognized by the Catholic church.

I don't understand it either, but they made her get an anulment before they would let her convert. Or maybe they let her convert, and then made her get an anulment so her 2nd marriage could be recognized? Maybe because she had kids? Maybe they just told her it was anulment to make her happy? Don't know, I just know we were very surprised that it all happened so late in her life. She actually had started attending the Catholic Church as a teen, and continued to go her whole life. She was determined and despite the obstacles the church and outside influences presented her with she was faithful.

[lllovell]

I am with you Timon. My mother wasn't Catholic (nor my father) when she married the first time. It wasn't even a "religious" ceremony, but a Justice of the Peace one. She was still required to get an annulment. I don't know the exact reasoning and honestly, I don't think my step-father's first marriage was ever annuled, but I am not 100% sure of that. (he has always been a Catholic - but not a practicing one until Mom got him back involved.)

BTW - my mother and step-father were married for 30 years or so before all this came up.

[Rosebud]

Timon,
just looked up in the "Cathlic Exchange". Yes, even if you are married as a Protestant you still need an annulment to be married in the Cathlic Church. It does say she had to have her 1st marriage annuled to recognized the second. Following is just one paragraph that pertains to that.

The Church always presumes that marriages are valid until proven invalid — Protestant marriages included. Thus, the Church does not allow marriages to take place where one partner is divorced; she presumes that the first union is in effect. If there is some doubt as to whether full consent was given to the first union, she has established a process of investigation to resolve the matter. If it is found that a marriage did not actually take place, an annulment is granted. An annulment is an official declaration that the first marriage never really took place. It allows for a marriage to be entered into. (For more information, please see our FAITH FACT, “

[BillJ]

"... why do people think that it's perfectly okay to jump into marriage like it's a pool party and then if it doesn't work out, just hop on down to the courthouse and get it erased?

Because they are celebrities. They aren't really human, you know.

[Jimbolini1963]

Hi,

I believe that if I was in that situation, I'd get a divorce and then never marry again.

Jim

[Robin]

What bothers me, is when I was younger my best friend's Aunt ended an emotionally and verbally abusive marriage. No children were involved. She was a religious Catholic and even though the Priest was sympathetic he told her she could have a civil divorce, by as far as the Church was concerned she could not have an annulment and therefore would remain 'married'.

Here was a woman with a valid reason to end a marriage who was told no, but a celebrity is given one simply on 'oops, I changed my mind'.

The Jewish religion (Orthodoxy) is no better. Only a husband can request a divorce. :evil:

[gopherit]

I think the really interesting part is that, while they didn't have the depth of faith or commitment to make it work.. they seem to think it's now important to get it annulled? Why bother? Are they both practicing Catholics? To me -- if you value your faith so highly that you feel you need to access the channels for the "official" annulment - why wouldn't you have FIRST insured you were entering into a valid marriage a scant few months ago? The marriage should have been of more religious importance than an annulment...

As for the rite of annulment in the Catholic church -- well, sadly, as with ANYTHING in this world. people will interpret rules differently. One priest may recognize a spouse as a louse and push the paperwork through, regardless of whether kids are involved, fo the sake of the injured party. Others may resist, no matter how bad the marriage was, because they either take the rules very literally (meaning, no annulment unless you can prove insanity or unconsciousnesso r one of the other clauses mentioned earlier) or because of children (I have heard of some priests -- and ex spouses/children - taking issue with annulment because of its rendering of the children as then born technically out of wedlock). Just depends sometimes upon the priest. That's true with any religion or large organization - there will be differences of opinion, and while sometimes it may appear to be ill-motivated, most of the time, it's more a matter of how the "rules" are interpreted by those presiding. The Catholic faith, for its many rules and its size, is bound to have some priests playing it differently than others.

Could a celeb in search of an annulment find a priest willing to give an annulment? Sure. Thanks to their celeb status and the almighty buck, they could probably also find a couple liver donors, a myriad of product freebies in exchange for free endorsement/publicity, and a line of people that could stretch across Texas, all just waiting to be their next Mr. or Mrs. in a heart-beat too. Such are the lifestyles of the rich and famous....