Queue Line Rumor

[Jennifer]

Last month, when I was at the World, I heard a rumor that Disney will be widening all of the queue lines to accomodate wheelchairs and ECV's. That way they will have to wait in line with everyone else, instead of sending them through the Fastpass lines.

Of course some attractions this won't work for because of stairs. Splash and Big Thunder come to mind right away.

What are your thoughts on this?

[Flash]

If this is true, I think it's fair. We had a wheelchair for my mom, and one of our big problems was the fairness of taking a big group past the waiting line. We tried to be careful and waited in the regular lines when we could (we did this with buses as well). While I never want to have to be in a wheelchair myself, AND I think that those who really need them probably don't WANT to need them (as my mother doesn't), I think there are definitely those who take advantage of the "system." Should there be perks for those who can't wait - yes, as in children with disabilities that make it difficult for them. I would guess that some or most people in a wheelchair or ECV could probably wait with everyone else. I think it would have made my mom feel better. JMHO.

[Big Red]

If this is true, I think it's fair. We had a wheelchair for my mom, and one of our big problems was the fairness of taking a big group past the waiting line. We tried to be careful and waited in the regular lines when we could (we did this with buses as well). While I never want to have to be in a wheelchair myself, AND I think that those who really need them probably don't WANT to need them (as my mother doesn't), I think there are definitely those who take advantage of the "system." Should there be perks for those who can't wait - yes, as in children with disabilities that make it difficult for them. I would guess that some or most people in a wheelchair or ECV could probably wait with everyone else. I think it would have made my mom feel better. JMHO.

I agree whole heartedly with you Kathy. Well said.

[Ursulinda]

As an ecv user, I can say that would be fine - I'd much rather not need the darn thing - but I'll happily sit there with my view of their butts if it will keep people from glaring at me and making rude comments for supposedly taking advantage.

But, please don't think that going through the 'fastpass' line makes waiting time any shorter for chair and ecv users - one reason for using a certain line is so you will be returned back to your vehicle rather than to some distant drop off point - the Safari comes to mind.

Also, the ecv/chair rider often has to wait a substantial lenght of time for an accessable ride vehicle, or for an opportunity for a belt to be slowed.

By the time I get settled back on my ecv, cane stowed, key found, JohnQ public has long since gone to the next attraction. Sorry. sore subject.

[ILoveMickey]

I just came back from the World at the holidays with my mom in an ECV and regretfully me in a wheelchair on NYE. My sister and brother joked all week that we should use my mother as "fastpass", so much they nicknamed her that, but would never do it because it just isn't right.

I fell by the LTT right after dinner on NYE, as it had been raining all day so my husband got the last wheelchair in the park. We had fast passes for BTMR but the time ran out with all of the commotion. They allowed us to use them anyway and I got some really nasty looks from others waiting in line when we went by. Thank goodness we had passes because I felt horrible cutting.

[Flash]

You're absolutely right about the wait sometimes, Linda. I think probably the time of year has something to do with the wait time and the number of nasty looks. We were there at a time when crowds were very manageable and we often had little or no wait via a handicapped entrance (vs those who were in a regular line). I've noticed that there are more wheelchairs at certain times of the year - don't know why. I know for my mom, it was a difficult thing to get her to admit she needed the wheelchair (the argument about a handicap parking pass was not fun either). After helping her get around the parks and taking turns pushing, I don't wish that on anyone, and I don't begrudge the "perks" either for people who really need them. Although I wasn't using the wheelchair myself, I got a MUCH better understanding of what a pain it can really be. Getting to use a fastpass or backdoor line doesn't seem like a very good trade-off for the ability to walk around as you please. I've just seen so many families "taking turns" in the wheelchair (as if it was a stroller) that I think a new queue situation might curb that. It might also help if CMs were consistent with rules on the number of people who are allowed with the person in the wheelchair. I've seen some let only 3 or 4 and some allow groups of 15 (no kidding!). Now, when I hear kids say something like "I wish I had a wheelchair" I always make sure to address it with them and explain that it's not a "fun" trade-off for mobility.

[Lou-Ann]

How sad that some have ruined it for those who really need it... I have found that I am able to use perhaps 1/3 to 1/2 of the rides those with good health can use yet I pay full price. That is fine as I so enjoy just being there and watching the young families enjoy their time together but I also realize that stamina is an issue for many. So many like autistic children cannot handle the lines or some diseases cannot handle the sun. May they find a resolution to make everyone happy. Perhaps letters from an MD for children or the handicapped hanger from a car liscense would suffice as opposed to just the wheelchair or scooter being the reason to get a GAC pass. I did notice in DL last week that we waited like everyone else and I was ok with that but some cannot do that easily. I so want it to be the happiest place on earth for all. :)

[krdisneybound]

this is really a difficult subject to discuss. I needed a scooter for about 2 years myself and for that period of time, I actually did not go on any of the rides. We would just go to the parks and enjoy what we could.

now that I am able to go w/o the scooter, it is worse than ever for me to stand in the lines for a ride, hence, still do not go on any of the rides.

I like being able to walk around now and not take the scooter. But I could do much, much more if I had it.


But to look at me in the scooter, you would think - why is she in that scooter/ecv???

So you never really know someones ability to do certain activities.

[Robin]

As long as a queue has wide enough for scooters and wheelchairs I don't see why they shouldn't be used. As for the 'view' children deal with that all the time. Being short, I've had the middle of someone's back in my face on numerous occasions.

If there is a physical reason why the person can't wait in a crowd, that should be a separate issue.

I think it really depends on the attraction and the setup of it's queue.

[MichellesCharmWorld]

I think it's a wonderful improvement :)

[kathleena]

I don't have a problem with it either way. It bothers me none when I see accomodations being made for wheelchair and EVC riders. It is only a few minutes out of my life to wait a bit longer and some of those people have to spend a lifetime in pain. I have the far better trade-off I think.

But - to take this somewhere else - I wonder how such a rumor could even be true? To rehab just to send them thru the regular lines?

Think of some rides - where is the space for them to widen them? Say Safari, Jungle Cruise, Peter Pan, Test Track, Living with the Land. Real estate is precious commodity and disruptions/cost of rehabs is a serious decision. In the safari, they would have to tear apart the whole thing to make more space in that queue line.

I'm thinking of so many new rides that already accomodate, such as Soarin'. So I'm more inclined to think that new attractions would be built to accomodate in the primary lines but that the older ones would only be changed if they were due for a regular rehab.

And cases in point illustrating they aren't changing - Living with the Land, Haunted Mansion and IASW. All rehabbed extensively recently and none of them changed to send everyone thru the regular lines.

And last - if I were to submit this as a project to our analysis area, the ginor-mouse cost would far outweigh the benefits. There is ZERO payback.

I would put this in my - ya, I can see them building new stuff, and including in a regular rehab if it makes sense. I can see them making accessibility EASIER. But an all out effort to retrofit all rides to mainstream everyone seems too large of an undertaking.

OK, just my 2 cents.....

[Ursulinda]

Perhaps letters from an MD for children or the handicapped hanger from a car liscense would suffice as opposed to just the wheelchair or scooter being the reason to get a GAC pass. I did notice in DL last week that we waited like everyone else and I was ok with that but some cannot do that easily. I so want it to be the happiest place on earth for all. :)

Let me quote from the Dis-abilities board here.
According to the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) you can not be required to provide proof of a disability. You can choose to show proof, but can't be required. If you do have a letter, it should reflect your needs, not your diagnosis. It will be important to be able to explain the needs to the CM in Guest Relations. You will not be given a GAC based on "I can't wait in lines" or "it will be too much standing for me in lines" because those are not specific needs and could possibly be met by using a wheelchair or ECV in line.

The diagnosis is not really that important because people with the same diagnosis can have very different needs. The GAC is not given based on diagnosis at all (for example, there is not a "list" of appropriate diagnosis for a GAC); the GAC is given based on needs and the accomodations that meet those needs. This is not a Disney rule, this is the way that the ADA is written. According to the ADA, accomodations are not given based on the diagnosis or specific disability; they are given based on needs that are related to a disability.


Unfortunately, it's been my observation that some people are only happy when they are "first" .

[kdzgon]

Having just returned from a trip with two people on ecvs, I can say I would GLADLY trade the handicap "benefits" for the ability to simply walk through the parks (and on to the buses!) and yes, even wait on the "regular" lines.

As to having the ecvs on the regular lines, heaven help the person(s) standing anywhere my mom while she tries to navigate those turns!

[MissBianca]

Some really good points here. I am inclined to agree with Nancy--I don't see the payoff for making everyone wait in the same line. A few fewer cast members would be required, but the expense would be greater I'd bet. I can see them working harder to make some of the rides accessible and using the same line wherever possible. As they should.

I truly pity anyone who stares and frowns at the disabled. What small hearts they must have. And as to family members sharing ECVs, I was in line to rent one at Epcot during MF 2006. And believe me, I needed it. The family in front of me was discussing how many to get! There were only a few left and they were trying to decide if they would just get one for "Grandma" who was planning to trade off with everyone or if they would get them for everyone so they could ride together.

They ran out before I got one. That family took the last two.

[Ursulinda]

And as to family members sharing ECVs, I was in line to rent one at Epcot during MF 2006. And believe me, I needed it. The family in front of me was discussing how many to get! There were only a few left and they were trying to decide if they would just get one for "Grandma" who was planning to trade off with everyone or if they would get them for everyone so they could ride together.

They ran out before I got one. That family took the last two.

THAT is a crime! And, when you think about it, that IS the crime - NOT only that the idiots are abusing the system, but that their selfish behavior adversely impacts the people who really need the vehicles.

[krdisneybound]

my thought exactly = bummer


THAT is a crime! And, when you think about it, that IS the crime - NOT only that the idiots are abusing the system, but that their selfish behavior adversely impacts the people who really need the vehicles.

[starzneyes4Mickey]

Cheryl,
So sorry to hear of your fall on NYE!! I called you around 10PM-no answer. Didn't leave a message 'cause I figured we wouldn't have been able to get to you anyway-pretty crazy by then??!! Did you enjoy the fireworks?

I truly do not mind if a handicapped individual gets preferential treatment!! But I should have capitalized, INDIVIDUAL!! Too often, others DO take advantage. We have kidded (sorry to everyone with highly sensitive feelings on this subject) that WE will all get scooters next time and have our own parade from fastpass to fastpass.;)

No kidding. The woman I sat next to at Candlelight Processional entered, first in line, on her scooter. Funny. We saw her two days later at AK walking JUST FINE!!:yikes::yikes::yikes:

[ILoveMickey]

Thank you Jean. I was thinking of you. We had left the park around 10:30 because it was just to difficult to navigate with my mom in her ECV and me in the wheelchair. Main street was so busy that instead of my husband pushing me in the chair I had to hobble out using the chair as a walker. Wow was it crowded.

I'm looking forward to Mousefest. I will meet up with you all there!!!

[Mickey4Us]

I heard a similar thing from a CM so maybe it is true.

It really doesn't bother me that accomadations are made for people with disabilities. I don't mind waiting a few more minutes. What bothers me is when I see people "abusing" the system, like the family that rotates who is in the wheelchair as the day goes on. I think by changing the lines, Disney is addressing some of these abusers.

[ChrisR]

Twice I had to visit a theme park and use ecv or wheelchair. I went to Busch Gardens after a painful knee injury and was pushed around in a wheelchair. I was surprised by how many teens were renting them and joking with me how wasn't it great to by pass the line. Uh, no, not really. I would much rather had been pain free at the time. I also used an ECV at WDW when I was 7 months pregnant and had extreme sciatic nerve pain. Walking even a short distance was torture. I was really surprised how many people walked right into me. It is amazing how you become invisible once you acquire wheels.

I wonder how safe it would be to have wheelchairs and ecvs in the line. Even with lines being expanded, I would be afraid of some becoming injured (especially toes) because either they weren't giving enough space OR due to driver error.

[Barb D]

I can offer another perspective why this is a good thing. My husband has muscular dystrophy and is now using a wheel chair part time. Mostly when we walk or stand lots. So of course always at WDW and Disneyland. Well I love rides like Big Thunder and Space Mountain or Indiana Jones at DL. He can no longer ride fast things like that so that means he sits out side and waits for me to ride or I dont ride at all. I miss a lot of the big rides like that because I rather not make him sit and wait for me unless the line is less than 5 minutes. If he could wait with me in line I would wait a half an hour to ride space mountain or Big Thunder. Widdening the isles will allow us to get in line together and he can then take the chicken exit.

[Barb D]

No kidding. The woman I sat next to at Candlelight Processional entered, first in line, on her scooter. Funny. We saw her two days later at AK walking JUST FINE!!:yikes::yikes::yikes:


Im sure people do cheat the system but can I offer another idea with the lady? Maybe she has a disability that isnt full time yet.

My husband looks perfectly normal and does walk perfectly normal, short term. You will see him walk normal at the resort grounds yet he uses a power wheel chair in the parks. At the resort He usually wont use his wheel chair to go to the pool and sometimes a restaurant in the same resort unless our room is fa out or hes having a bad day. really if people saw him they would wonder why in the world is he using a wheel chair. Sometimes he even asks me to ride so he can walk a little .. Thats scary!! LOL I cant drive right.

His muscular dystrophy is a slow degenerating disease. And he has good days and bad. Heck he even has good hours and bad., He can climb on our roof at home to fix something if needed but will pay a price for doing so.
One last note to have a good day he has to "not" walk or stand lots. And take lots of pain medication (He takes two different things every day many times a day for the rest of his life)

I have no doubt that lady could have been cheating the system but I tend to give more benefit of the doubt knowing what I do about disbilities and degrees of it.

[DizzneeMomma]

I had to use a wheelchair part-time once too. I was 3 months pregnant with Jonah and started spotting. I was very worried, having had a miscarriage just 5 months earlier, so I called my doctor. I was advised to spend my trip in a lounge chair poolside....and since I couldn't do that, I used a wheel chair but walked also. Other family members used the chair to "cruise" in when I was walking, but we never used the chair to take advantage of no waiting. We parked it with the strollers, but I pretty much shyed away from ride-type attractions at that point of the trip. :?

[Ursulinda]

I heard a rumor from a cast member this weekend along this line. . . that the major rehab of Space mountain is on hold because they would have to disrupt TTA, WHICH constitutes a renovation to tta WHICH would then no longer be grandfathered and would have to be made accessable before it could reopen.

On another note - i am amazed at how many doors to resorts are not automatic or buttoned.

You can get IN to the Yacht club in the lobby, but not out at any of the doors to the walkway along the pool unless someone is kind enough to hold them for you.

The small plate to push for opening the Yacht club door on the Bay side is small, rectangular, tarnished brass (unreadable), about 6 feet from the door and not facing it. I had to be shown where it was even though I had passed it several times searching for it. It looked like an electrical outlet cover.

I couldn't find an accessable door to Pizzafari tonight. Fortunately, there are still gentlemen.

CShore will be telling you about how accessable some of the rides are (not)

[JustZac]

I heard a rumor from a cast member this weekend along this line. . . that the major rehab of Space mountain is on hold because they would have to disrupt TTA, WHICH constitutes a renovation to tta WHICH would then no longer be grandfathered and would have to be made accessable before it could reopen.Yes that would be me. If the renovation happens it'll probably be in a way to not disrupt TTA, still no official word on the closure of Space, however they are no longer taking new CMs beyond the college kids.

[Ursulinda]

Was it you,Zac? Sorry for not giving credit where credit was due - I have a memory like a sieve! On the other hand, everyone who tells me things can always be assured of anonimity, lol

[JustZac]

I believe it was our lunch with Lynner and Barrie that I discussed it.

[twinks]

Okay, I also don't like those who abuse the system. It bothers me that people will abuse the system and "ruin" it for others.

I guess I have had the "wrong" impression regarding how this works. I thought that a ECV or a wheelchair was not an "automatic" fast pass or front of the line access. I thought that one had to have an GAC with the accommodation needed stamped on it in order to use the fast pass line or the "handicap" entrance.

I can see that it could be a hassle to stop at Guest Relations to obtain a GAC for everyone having to use an ECV or wheelchair, but, it also might cut down on the mis-use of the accommodation. Just an idea. To take my idea a tad further, if you had to have a GAC with the accommodation of needing to use a wheelchair or ECV in order to rent them, there would not be the mis use either and there would be plenty for individuals to rent who need them. However, it is a hassle to have to get a GAC and have to explain the accommodation, which isn't always fun either. Many people who really truly need the GAC, wheelchair or ECV would probably go without.

I am obviously thinking "outloud." I'm headed back to my corner and will be quiet now.

twinks

[roodad]

Thanks for all the insights to this issue. I hadn't previously thought about waxing and waning conditions like MS and MD and had had unkind thoughs when I would see a young man racing around the resort when earlier he had been in a wheel chair with a group of his friends.

[kathleena]

I just returned from a week long trip where I had to use an ECV for the second time in five months. I was thinking of this thread several times, as I waited in queue lines. I can't really see where I was given any preferential treatment that "gained" me any time over other guests in line.

I have an issue with my foot, I can transfer. I can walk around for a while. I can't stand in one spot (eg for fireworks or in lines) and no way could I walk around all day. There could be times when a guest would see me in the chair one day, and walking the next, should I decide that I want to stretch a bit (sitting in the chair with rounded shoulders and back eventually hurts) and walk for a while. Anyway - here is my experiences by attraction:

General Statement: For all attractions with FastPass, you MUST have a FastPass for the entire party in order to get in the FP line. You can't just roll up and get an "automatic" FP. No such thing! Even with the GAC - you have to have the Fast Pass. I have the booklets for all parks that explain the GAC, and the statements are all in there - FPs required for the FP attractions. Otherwise, enter thru the standby queue.

What I used the GAC for was if I decided to go on foot and needed to bypass the stairs. I did it once last October (and didn't use it at all this trip). I didn't want to take the chair into the Lights Motors Action show and couldn't climb the stairs because of the foot thing. So I used the GAC to be seated in the lower HCP seats. BUT - I had to have the FP to get into the FP line!!!!! Because I didn't, I waited in the regular line.

MK

Mickey's Philharmagic - rode thru the regular line all the way to the entrance hall. Seated in the back of the theatre.

HM - I had to start out in the regular queue. The line snaked all around and had started out near the FP machines. I had to go thru the line with all the other guests until I got to the left of the hearse (took about 20 minutes.....), then I was able to exit thru the HCP exit and go to the back of the ride to enter.

Pirates - Had to transfer to a regular wheelchair at the entrance and go thru the regular line.

IASW - Had to go thru the regular line.

Hall of Presidents - Brought in early. Sat at the end of a row to the right.

AK

Safari - Went thru regular line all the way to the end, before the ramps to the two trucks. Went to the HCP truck. Waited there until the truck was filled. At least four trucks went by us while we waited.

Flights of Wonder - allowed to go in the hcp gate, seating was in the very back.

Nemo - went thru regular line. Led to the opposite side of the theater and seated in a hcp section (first row in the upper section). ECV was taken outside by the CM. The reason we were in the first row is because we were second in line. We were second in line because we were there early - not because of the ECV.

Lion King - went thru hcp gate. Seated on the lower benches. Not really an advantage from my point of view.

Gorilla and Tiger trails - horrible viewing. Can't even get near the exhibits. What a hassle to go anywhere in the trails. Really highlights how people are so rude and inconsiderate of folks in ECVs. Have to get up in order to see anything, which is not an issue for me, but for someone who can't get out of the chair - the trails are useless.

Studios

Movie Ride - after going thru the queue with everyone else - once we got into the waiting room with the movie, was taken down to the door via the hcp entry. I suppose if the room was full, we would have a one or two truck advantage over the rest of the group. Still not FOTL because you have to go thru the rest of the queue.

Indiana Jones - again- standing in line with everyone else. Past the turnstiles, waited at the HCP gate. Seating is either way up in the back, or down in the front over to the right, almost into the firey plane!

Lights, Motors Action - went thru regular queues. They line up the EVCs to the left. We are taken around to the elevators. You wait and wait and wait for the elevator, and then are seated about 1/2 way up. Then you wait and wait and wait for the elevator to go down after the show.

Muppets - Had to enter the building and wait with everyone else. Seated in the back of the theater.

Epcot

Soarin' - Go thru regular line. Made to go to the third section in the back row. Told that couldn't go in any other row because the ECVs can't make it around the corners of the rails. Next time I walked it. Waited in line with everyone else.

Spaceship Earth - Go to the exit area. Get name on the list. Waited just as long as the posted wait time for the regular boarding area (20 minutes). There were a lot of ECVs waiting, but they only loaded groups every 10 minutes.

Mexico Boat Ride - Special entry. OK, so this was the one time there was an advantage that I saw. :lol: If you think there is an advantage getting on this ride early!

American Adventure - have to go upstairs and watch the Voices from up there. Taken inside to the back row and can only have one person in your party sit with you.

French Movie - Have to go in with everyone else and fighty your way to the back row. Find people there with strollers and people who just decide to sit there. HAve to tell someone they have to leave because there are NO SEATS there for you to park next to. Only two seats next to the ECV areas, so the three with you again have to split up.

Honey I Shrunk. They very nicely lead you into a queueing area and one person in your party can stay with you. The others are seated in the row in front of you - in the back of the theater. The queueing area is limited space, so I can see where if it is busy, you would have to wait thru a show before you can actually get in, just like all the other people.

Canada and China - Have to go over to one side to the last row because if you try to go to the inside, you can't see because everyone else is standing.

Miyuki - Candy lady in Japan. Roll up to the rope, the third person there, and then fight off all the kids who come up and stand in front of you. Same with Off Kilter and British Invasion - except it was adults!!!!! :lol: Yes, I'm being very sarcastic here - but it was so true!!!! It did happen. Talk about being invisible.

OK - so - my whole point is - there was nothing, absolutely nothing - in my experience last week that leads me to believe that I was given any "advantage" over anyone else in any queue lines. I had to roll along with everyone else and would eventually go to the ECV access, but it was never FOTL anywhere and in ALL of the shows - I was off to the side or way in the back.

I just can't understand the fuss about this and why on earth people think there is preferential treatment. If being seated in the last row all the time and having your party split up all the time is preferential, then someone else can have it! The only advantage to me was not having to stand on my aching foot all day, but believe me, I would much rather have my foot back than have all that "preferential" treatment.

OK, very happy to get that off my chest after thinking of it all week. Off my soapbox. :D Being in an ECV has given me new perspective.

[starzneyes4Mickey]

Nancy, I appreciate the work and time it took to report this. A fine report, too! Thanks for helping us see how the ques work for EVCs!

With all of this waiting, did ya have a good time?

[Jennifer]

Thanks, Nancy! It is always good to know the "other side of the story". I think I will view things differently the next time I go. I know I will be thinking of you! :D

[AUteacher9905]

Very interesting insights from everyone. Also an interesting rumor. I have never had a problem with those who are in wheelchairs or ecv's getting to go to the front or fast pass line. I do know there are some who take advantage of the system (as others have pointed out), and that is frusrating.

MissB what happened to you is very frustrating.

As for those who may not look like they need a wheelchair, I have a friend who fits that category. She has a heart condition, but looks very able bodied. She is very able bodied, but due to her condition she cannot walk for long distances or periods of time. She has a handicapped parking tag. She used it more in college when she had to walk from her apartment off campus to her classes. Her doctor did not want her walking that long of a distance, so she used the tag to park near the buildings. There were times she was questioned by cops about whether the tag was hers. She didn't look "handicapped", but you cannot "see" her heart condition.

I know if she were to ever go to WDW (she has never been) she would need a wheelchair b/c she would not be able to walk the park all day. She could walk some, but would need the chair to take a breather. Her condition makes her fatigued very easily. So, sometimes you would see her walking, and sometimes you would see her in the chair. I am sure there would be some people who would give her dirty looks, "she doesn't look handicapped, why does she have a wheelchair?". However, again, you can't "see" her heart condition.

Anyway, just some rambling thoughts.

[Ursulinda]

Right on, Kathleena! Well said!

And, I must say on a recent trip, one of our members could NOT transfer easily and had an even MORE difficult time. There was barely anything she could ride.

I, too, wish I could bag the wheels. In this fat, achy old bod lies the soul of a marathoner. But what is, is. And the experience has certainly helped me become less judgemental, more compassionate, and develop a MUCH thicker skin.

[kathleena]

I do know there are some who take advantage of the system (as others have pointed out), and that is frusrating.

Hey Melanie! :D Don't want to make you uncomfortable by singling out one line here so inserting happy faces. :D

I guess this was my point - there is NO system to take advantage of so don't be frustrated. They are gaining nothing.

I don't know what you have seen that makes you think people are taking advantage, but in my experience - there was nothing there to indicate that being in a chair gives you any advantage at all over anyone else. I waited in the same lines, the same amount of time. And in some cases - all the wait got me was a seat in the back row and not even with my party, not to mention the expense of the chair.

The only time I ever saw anyone given front of the line, was for the Give Kids the World. They and their parties were always taken to FOTL and I have no problem with that at all, ever.

(Oh and in case you are following my foot saga, I was walking around well in Dec and in Jan, but came home from the Jan trip with a screwed up foot again. Now they think I have a stress fracture in my heel and I'm headed into the MRI machine again on Wednesday. Nice.......:?)

[Flash]

When my mother used a chair we had the same experience as you - many times the seats in shows were at the back or in a corner - not the best location. Also, we often got separated since we had a big party and couldn't all sit with her. It was extremely exasperating at times.

[Carrie]

I was with someone before who used and abused the system to get a "skip the line pass." It irked me to no end. And I don't like waiting in a hot line for the bus for a long time only to see a wheelchair whiz up and get right on in front of everyone. Why can't the wheelchair people go through the bus queues like everyone else? I'll be very glad to see widened lines. I do understand there are medical reasons for having to be out of the sun, but I'm very sure most wheelchair users are just in wheelchairs because they can't walk very long distances, not because they need to skip lines. Ok, off my soap box and on to happy Disney chatting.

[MissBianca]

Carrie, there are reasons for loading wheelchair people onto buses first. It takes a really long time to get the chair and the rider on the bus and secured. You need the extra room inside the bus to maneuver the chair into place. Plus the driver needs to know how many wheelchairs and ECVs there are because the buses don't accommodate many.

Believe me, anyone willing to take bus transportation while in a chair or an ECV, really needs those aides!

[amymouse]

Well, shoot. I thought this thread said "Queue Line Humor." I was all ready to use some of my best material! :shrug:

[Robin]

Well, shoot. I thought this thread said "Queue Line Humor." I was all ready to use some of my best material! :shrug:

Which reminds me... when you can't walk to queue too fast, a full queue is better then an empty one. You need to either keep up with the herd or get stampeded trying to take your time.

[Linda S]

I do have a small problem with the buses as well. I understand that they need to go on first, however, they should be the first on when they reach the front of the line. Once we waited for about 2 bus loads of people to load up and a group of 4 in EVC's pull up and get on the next bus first when there was at least 2 bus loads of people still waiting that had arrived long before they did. Wait in line and when it is your turn, certainly load them first for all the safety reasons.

I know that sounds harsh, but when it's late and you've been waiting a long time, it is bothersome.

[Jennifer]

I do have a small problem with the buses as well. I understand that they need to go on first, however, they should be the first on when they reach the front of the line. Once we waited for about 2 bus loads of people to load up and a group of 4 in EVC's pull up and get on the next bus first when there was at least 2 bus loads of people still waiting that had arrived long before they did. Wait in line and when it is your turn, certainly load them first for all the safety reasons.

I know that sounds harsh, but when it's late and you've been waiting a long time, it is bothersome.

I think that is exactly when I get frustrated. :?