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Touring with Children - May 28, 2003

20:59:14 [BetsyAnn] Hey Moley

20:59:24 [Moley] Hey Betsy Ann!

20:59:35 [BetsyAnn] So you got a plan?

20:59:47 [Moley] Shall we call this one Touring with Children Tips. for the sake of brevity?

21:00:03 [Moley] Yep, my plan is linear. Sun up to Sun down.

21:00:16 [Moley] What do you think?

21:00:36 [BetsyAnn] Ok - I was thinking the types

21:00:50 [BetsyAnn] but I really have no deep investment in either way

21:00:51 [Moley] Good ways to get the day started. Rides to go on first thing. Afternoon rest activites. Planning for touring at night.

21:00:58 [BetsyAnn] So you lead and I will greet!

21:01:06 [Moley] okay we will do the types! I'm easy :)

21:01:18 [BetsyAnn] LOL --NOOOOOO

21:01:24 [BetsyAnn] Your way

21:01:26 [Moley] Hey Lime Green!

21:01:30 [LimeGreenC] Finally I come into the right room on the first try

21:01:39 [BetsyAnn] I like the times of the day

21:01:40 [LimeGreenC] Hello girlies

21:01:46 [BetsyAnn] Hey LimeGreen

21:01:51 [Moley] Which one for sure, BA.. My head is groggy and I value your sage direction.

21:02:23 [Moley] okay, then times of the day. Getting started. First Rides. Afternoon Breaks. Night Touring with the Kids.

21:02:24 [BetsyAnn] Let's try time of day and if it bombs then change over

21:02:35 [BetsyAnn] That should work

21:02:59 [Moley] All my chats have bombed. It's like I'm Wiley Coyote of Chats.

21:03:09 [Moley] Hey MissB!

21:03:12 [LimeGreenC] Hi MissB

21:03:21 [MissB] It's the devine Miss M!

21:03:23 [BetsyAnn] Hey MissB

21:03:27 [MissB] And the Lovely Green C!

21:03:34 [LimeGreenC] they have not bombed Moley, you stop that right this minute

21:03:41 [Moley] Hey Esmerelda!

21:03:43 [MissB] Elegant Esme and Beautiful BetsyAnn!

21:03:46 [LimeGreenC] Hi Esmerelda

21:03:47 [Moley] Not long for you now!!

21:04:02 [BetsyAnn] Hey Esmeralda!

21:04:12 [Moley] Miss Bianca is definitely the Feel Good Chat Lady to have around. :D

21:04:13 [BetsyAnn] You packed Esmeralda

21:04:27 [LimeGreenC] * LimeGreenC likes being called lovely ;)

21:04:32 [disneylove] hello there

21:04:47 [LimeGreenC] Hi disneylove

21:04:50 [Moley] Hey disney love!!

21:05:04 [BetsyAnn] Welcome disneylove!

21:05:07 [Moley] Going to try new color

21:05:07 [MissB] Hi, love, how are you?

21:05:20 [Moley] Try this one.

21:05:30 [Moley] Diaper Poop Yellow!

21:05:36 [BetsyAnn] not bad Moley

21:05:41 [Moley] I'll stay with this color for touring with kids.

21:05:41 [MissB] This chat room needs darker colors

21:05:41 [disneylove] good waiting for more rain :[

21:05:53 [LimeGreenC] lol Moley

21:05:57 [BetsyAnn] I was thinking gold yellow

21:05:58 [Moley] Y'all have had too much rain.

21:06:00 [LimeGreenC] Hi Iriri

21:06:02 [disneylove] hi Iriri

21:06:04 [MissB] Hi! Iriri!

21:06:05 [BetsyAnn] Hey Iriri

21:06:13 [Moley] Hi Iriri, how are you.

21:06:18 [disneylove] so much 5 dams have broken

21:06:18 [MissB] Folks, Iriri is a friend of mine!

21:06:30 [Moley] We are going to talk about touring with kids tonight.

21:06:35 [disneylove] cool miss B

21:06:36 [LimeGreenC] The room needs a decent lime green ;)

21:06:45 [Moley] Great Miss B! Glad you brought her along!

21:07:02 [Iriri] Hi :)

21:07:10 [Moley] dl, that is just awful.

21:07:13 [LimeGreenC] Nice to meet you Iriri,

21:07:15 [BetsyAnn] Any friend of MissB is welcome indeed!

21:07:25 [Moley] Let's get kicking!

21:07:37 [BetsyAnn] Hit it, Moley!

21:07:42 [MissB] I need some tips for going with kids because I plan to take my niece to the world as soon as she's old enough

21:07:44 [Moley] We are going to Tour the Parks with Kids and still come out Sane.

21:07:52 [LimeGreenC] kicking and kids, God if you only knew!

21:08:00 [Iriri] Hi :)

21:08:14 [Esmerelda] What if we didn't enter the parks sane? Can we still come out sane?

21:08:18 [Moley] This chat is going to go sun up to sun down. So we will start with Getting the Day Started.

21:08:18 [MissB] Every so often I do so want to kick a kid...usually not one I know

21:08:27 [disneylove] can we keep our shoes on when we kick them

21:08:32 [Moley] Esme, dear, there is no hope for you. :D

21:08:37 [Iriri] Pretty good!

21:08:40 [Moley] Hey Pammy!

21:08:45 [LimeGreenC] Hi Pam

21:08:50 [BetsyAnn] Hey DisneyPam - we are just getting started

21:08:56 [disneylove] Es we have kids no such thing as being sane

21:08:58 [Esmerelda] Moley, I'm afraid I agree with you

21:09:05 [DisneyPam] hola DisKids! :)

21:09:06 [MissB] Now, now, Moley, the world needs more folks just like Esme

21:09:16 [MissB] Hola, Pammy!

21:09:21 [disneylove] hi ya pam

21:09:27 [Moley] The best thing you can do is pack just enough to keep your child happy in the parks but not so much that it weighs you down.

21:09:41 [Esmerelda] Believe me, Miss B, I think one of me is more than enough

21:09:44 [BetsyAnn] Good tip Moley

21:09:47 [Esmerelda] Hiya, Pam!

21:09:49 [Moley] What do you all take with you as necessities for the Child in the Busy Park?

21:09:57 [MissB] Do experienced parents bring a backpack?

21:09:58 [DisneyPam] bringing the cattle prod and stun gun usually works! ;)

21:10:04 [disneylove] why not let them carry Moley

21:10:15 [Esmerelda] uh......Pam, are you going to use one this weekend ;-)?

21:10:21 [BetsyAnn] Now, now DisneyPam!

21:10:25 [BetsyAnn] LOL

21:10:27 [Moley] LOL, Disney Pam, bad auntie, bad auntie. :D

21:10:30 [LimeGreenC] Baby wipes are a necessitiy

21:10:42 [Esmerelda] do stun guns leave marks?

21:10:44 [DisneyPam] just kidding.....

21:10:48 [Moley] there you go. perfect.

21:10:56 [disneylove] I agree LGC

21:11:03 [Moley] My first thought is water. and something to hold ice

21:11:21 [BetsyAnn] The niece and nephew - have fanny packs for there stuff -- I have big bag for wipes, a bottle of water, some snacks , money and room keys

21:11:32 [Esmerelda] I think if your child is young, you need to have a change of clothes too

21:11:41 [LimeGreenC] and a change of clothes, my DD got sick and we were without clothes, I had to buy them, I learned that lesson quickly

21:11:42 [DisneyPam] for the smaller ones...a pad of post-its to keep the "broken" potties from flushing on their own.

21:11:48 [BetsyAnn] I would rather pay it then carry it!

21:11:49 [MissB] if you dehydrate them can you avoid going to the restroom every 1/2 hour?

21:11:49 [Moley] Do any of you fix up surprise packs for your little ones?

21:11:51 [LimeGreenC] she is 7

21:12:07 [Moley] Excellent idea, Esme, because they will want to get wet.

21:12:18 [BetsyAnn] buy it then carry it!

21:12:20 [DisneyPam] So many little ones are terrified of the self-flushing "broken" toilets.

21:12:39 [MissB] may I ask the youngest child folks would recommend taking to the World?

21:12:51 [disneylove] you can cover the "eye" so it won't flush

21:12:58 [Moley] MissB! Bad Auntie, Bad Auntie. :D

21:13:05 [LimeGreenC] I took my DS when he was 13 months old

21:13:14 [MissB] I really wouldn't do that to little Emma

21:13:28 [Esmerelda] depends on the temperament of the child. I would say no younger than three unless very easy going

21:13:29 [BetsyAnn] I was 2 when I first went to DL -- no WDW in the picture yet - my brother was about 4 months old -- he slept a lot

21:13:46 [Moley] Many people take infants and do just fine with the right sun guards.

21:14:03 [Esmerelda] I agree about the auto flushing toilets-the scariest attraction there is!

21:14:03 [MissB] BetsyAnn--do you have any memories of that trip?

21:14:19 [BetsyAnn] Yes I do MissB!

21:14:22 [LimeGreenC] I was amazed at how stimulated my little guy was from all the colors and sounds

21:14:28 [LimeGreenC] Hi Cinderella

21:14:33 [MissB] So it's worthwhile!

21:14:36 [Moley] Hey Claire, Welcome!!

21:14:39 [Cinderella] Did I finally get into a chat with other people?

21:14:39 [disneylove] I'm mean non of mine went until they turned five

21:14:45 [BetsyAnn] Welcome Cinderella -- we are just starting the day with children -- what would you take to the packs

21:14:49 [disneylove] Clair you made it

21:14:51 [MissB] Cheri, how did your little guy act?

21:15:05 [Moley] and the parks in packs

21:15:06 [MissB] lol, Cinderella, glad to see you!

21:15:07 [BetsyAnn] What I remember is Mickey waiting for me at the gate!

21:15:10 [Cinderella] Hi Moley, LimeGreenC, BetsyAnn.

21:15:34 [MissB] sun protection seems like a must

21:15:35 [DisneyPam] small bottle of bubbles for entertainment purposes.

21:15:41 [Cinderella] Are we discussing children in DW?

21:15:42 [LimeGreenC] He did great, he napped in the stroller, and loved all the fantasy land rides, he doesn't remember but the look on his face during certain times of that trip, I as mother, will never forget

21:15:43 [BetsyAnn] My niece was three - my nephew 5 - they both did great --

21:15:46 [Esmerelda] DisneyPam> I have absolutely no idea! I don't know a lot of people :-(

21:15:55 [MissB] OOO, I bet you were so cute, BetsyAnn!

21:15:58 [Moley] and a flashlight, a little one for little hands.

21:16:21 [Esmerelda] Elayna's first trip was at 2.5 years old, she was actually easier then, than she is now

21:16:23 [disneylove] ear plugs might be nice,disney tends too be loud

21:16:25 [LimeGreenC] Pam, that is a great idea, bubbles,

21:16:26 [DisneyPam] One tip - put the sunscreen on BEFORE leaving your room. If they argue tell them Mickey won't let them in the park without it. LOL

21:16:40 [Cinderella] My DD was about 4 for her first visit to DW - only MK the and my DS was about 4 when he first went. We made sure they got a good night's sleep and had sunscreen on.

21:16:46 [BetsyAnn] Yes, Cinderella -- we are getting the day ready to roll with children,

21:17:03 [DisneyPam] you can get the really tiny bottles in craft store (in the wedding favor section) or dollar stores.

21:17:05 [Esmerelda] good idea, Pam. You can have full responsibility of getting elayna ready if you want :-)

21:17:05 [disneylove] hat and sunglasses too

21:17:10 [Cinderella] We were staying with ex-inlaws so it was about a 1 1/2 hour drive. We only had MK to see then so we didn't rush much and the crowds were not bad.

21:17:15 [Moley] Well, we have our kiddie packs ready, let's discuss the best attractions to take those kiddies to first thing. Do you do Don't Miss rides first or work up to the big ones?

21:17:20 [MissB] So the reason those strollers are so big is to carry all this stuff?

21:17:20 [LimeGreenC] And with sunscreen, don't forget the ears. Those hurt when they get burned

21:17:21 [BetsyAnn] Welcoem James to We are going to Tour the Parks with Kids and still come out Sane.

21:17:31 [Cinderella] We ate light lunch and went back to inlaws at the end of the day late.

21:17:40 [Esmerelda] Dumbo is first so I can get it the heck over with

21:17:41 [Moley] Hi James!! Welcome to the Child Touring Chat!

21:17:52 [LimeGreenC] Hi James

21:18:00 [Cinderella] Went again with DS and he had his backpack and lots of snacks for him to save some money.

21:18:00 [DisneyPam] And scalps too, LGC. Esp. if a little girl's hair is parted such as with pigtails.

21:18:06 [MissB] I would think that you'd at least get the most important fast passes first

21:18:13 [disneylove] if a child has never been work up too big ones

21:18:14 [LimeGreenC] If you're going to do Dumbo, that is first

21:18:18 [MissB] Is Dumbo a Fast Pass attraction?

21:18:19 [Moley] Stroller rental is very essential. no child who can fit in one should be without one.

21:18:32 [Moley] No, MissB, it is not.

21:18:35 [LimeGreenC] that is also a good point Pam, I admit to forgetting about that

21:18:42 [Cinderella] Had to see It's a Small World the first thing. Got them in the DW mood.

21:18:44 [BetsyAnn] We tend to do the child's favorite first or the line that we think will be longest later

21:18:44 [James] It is easier for us now with a 19, 17 and 15 yr old kids

21:18:50 [DisneyPam] Do the stupid race cars first thing....before it gets too stinky.

21:19:05 [Moley] Fantasyland Fast Pass is Peter Pan, Winnie the Pooh.

21:19:15 [BetsyAnn] I bet you have some great tips, James -- when you children were young -- how did you pick the first attaction

21:19:16 [LimeGreenC] wb Iriri

21:19:30 [MissB] Those are wonderful--I can't wait to take Emma on Peter Pan

21:19:42 [Cinderella] Make sure the sunscreen for the kids goes down to their sneaker line/sock line. You can get a bad sunburn on the bottom few inches of your legs from Epcot. The ground glass used in the cement reflects the sun onto the legs a few inches up. Very painful sunburn.

21:19:45 [BetsyAnn] wb Iriri

21:20:13 [MissB] My friend Iriri is having technical difficulties...

21:20:14 [LimeGreenC] good tip Cinderella

21:20:17 [Esmerelda] At what age can children ride by themselves?

21:20:27 [Cinderella] Had to see Peter Pan and Winnie the Pooh too.

21:20:29 [Moley] Much of the white pavement everywhere does that, too, Claire. Good tip!!

21:20:36 [disneylove] 7 or 8

21:20:37 [MissB] 18

21:20:39 [James] We waited until ours were older and we always did peter pan first

21:20:41 [MissB] ;-)

21:20:47 [LimeGreenC] I think that depends on the child Esmerelda

21:20:49 [BetsyAnn] Esmerelda> depends on the child

21:21:07 [DisneyPam] I believe Disney says 7, Susan.

21:21:19 [disneylove] LOL Miss B mine get too go off on thier own this year

21:21:22 [Cinderella] Take bottled water from outside the park to save money also. Too expensive in the park. Don't feed the children too much if it's really hot - they'll get tired and cranky. WAtch the sugar snacks.

21:21:33 [BetsyAnn] As children we could go on a specfic ride and the parents would wait at the exit -- I think I was about 8 and brother about 6

21:21:35 [James] I dont know how you do it with little ones!!!

21:22:05 [Esmerelda] once I took a 4 year old and two 5 year olds-it was a nightmare b/c we couldn't all fit in one ridei TOO

21:22:21 [Esmerelda] uh, excuse my spelling

21:22:22 [Cinderella] Make sure you guys take breaks during the hottest part of the day and go back to the resorts/hotel for naps and to use the pool. It will keep everyone more even tempered and you can get back to the parks when it's a little cooler.

21:22:36 [LimeGreenC] I lay the rules down about the parks BEFORE we leave the room, and my kids know that I won't hestiate to head back to the room if there is an issue

21:22:38 [BetsyAnn]>[Moley] where is Tilt? :(

21:22:41 [MissB] So, water, sunscreen, sun protection, games, toys, snacks...what else? And do they rent sherpas?

21:22:54 [LimeGreenC] this applies to holding hands, which rides, eating, begging for stuff, etc.

21:23:03 [Esmerelda] I'm worried about the stroller issue-have you ever heard of them saying a child is too big?

21:23:07 [James] Very good advice Cinderella

21:23:08 [Moley] He has tech difficulties sometimes, Betsy

21:23:28 [disneylove] nope I have seen 10 year lds in one

21:23:43 [MissB] Esmerelda, I did hear about that on another board

21:23:45 [disneylove] the hard plastic ones

21:23:49 [BetsyAnn] The game plan for the day in our family was be there when park opened - leave in pm for swim or nap and then back til park closed

21:23:54 [DisneyPam] Susan...I've seen adult women in the double strollers!!

21:24:04 [disneylove] if you rent on from the park,make them a sit-upon

21:24:17 [LimeGreenC] you have got to be kidding Pam@

21:24:20 [Moley] Let's talk about afternoon rest activities. Do you all recommend leaving the parks or resting there?

21:24:25 [LimeGreenC] Hi Lady!

21:24:25 [Cinderella] Try to do one thing each day that each child wants to do to keep them all happy. It could be getting a special snack or getting a souvenir but they feel like they all get some special treatment.

21:24:30 [MissB] what's a sit-upon?

21:24:32 [James] Dont try and do to much in one trip so you have an excuse to go back

21:24:34 [Esmerelda] you mean Elayna could push ME in a stroller ;-)

21:24:40 [disneylove] hi Shell

21:24:42 [BetsyAnn] Good tip Disneylove -- that plastic can get really hot

21:24:49 [Moley] Hey Lady!

21:24:50 [Cinderella] Yo Lady.

21:24:52 [BetsyAnn] Welcome Lady!

21:25:06 [Esmerelda] I recommend leaving the parks for sure

21:25:06 [Moley] Claire, I love that tip.

21:25:11 [MissB] Hi, Lady!

21:25:17 [DisneyPam] nope...I'm serious, LGC

21:25:31 [MissB] Lady, your latest recipe is pure yummers looking

21:25:36 [Lady] I'm sorry - I'll come back later

21:25:41 [disneylove] get a piece of foam(thick) cover with any kind of fabric(disney) make for a soft seat

21:25:43 [James] I saw Dopey in a stroller being pushed by Rafiki

21:25:48 [Cinderella] I'd leave the parks so YOU get some rest also and some a/c in the rooms.

21:25:55 [DisneyPam] someone was in girl scouts!!! ;)

21:26:02 [Lady] thanks - it sure is scrumptious - forgot you had a chat going

21:26:06 [BetsyAnn] I bet that was fun, James

21:26:06 [Moley] Such a good idea, dl

21:26:07 [MissB] HaHa, James

21:26:17 [LimeGreenC] wow! Esmerelda, then I guess Elayan can push you in the stoller ;)

21:26:48 [Cinderella] Who wants to push me in December? I've never gotten through Epcot to see any shows at night due to feet dying before then.

21:26:58 [BetsyAnn] I always think a nap in the afternoon on vacation is a great plan!

21:27:05 [MissB] To shop or not to shop with little ones? I love the shopping?

21:27:28 [Lady] Scamp was 9 when we took him the first time - we missed out on taking little ones there

21:27:37 [MissB] Clair do we overlap in December? I'm 4-11?

21:27:47 [Cinderella] Take kids to pools, take a nap, order in some food, eat with your feet up and you'll all be refreshed for another visit to the parks at night.

21:27:56 [Lady] forgot there was a kid chat Claire - catch ya later

21:27:59 [Moley] Claire, there is no shame in renting a chair for your conditions. Fibromyalgia is very limiting with a lot of walking.

21:27:59 [BetsyAnn] Good question about the shopping --

21:28:06 [Esmerelda] we do not buy any souveniers until the last day-only go shopping once

21:28:06 [Cinderella] Yes MissB!!!! I'm 11/30 to 12/6 (leave early that day). Where are you staying?

21:28:07 [disneylove] how did you guess Pam

21:28:10 [Lady] oops I meant Cheri - sorry -

21:28:20 [MissB] at the Poly! How about you?

21:28:20 [James] excellent advice cindy

21:28:33 [Lady] same here Esmerelda - we wait til the last day

21:28:35 [Cinderella] I plan to be healed by then Moley (LOL). Looking for a good witch doctor by then!!!

21:28:39 [disneylove] later Shell

21:28:48 [Moley] I also like the idea of combining a meal with the rest break.

21:29:02 [Esmerelda] send me a referral for the witch doctor, Claire!

21:29:04 [DisneyPam] the sit-upon gave it away, lol. I remember those from when my sister was in GS

21:29:04 [Moley] There are lots of take out type foods you can get at the food courts.

21:29:07 [LimeGreenC] We only buy souviners if it is an absolute must, otherwise, we wait

21:29:14 [disneylove] that's why a PS durring lunch is great

21:29:19 [BetsyAnn] Food, feet up -- a great combo

21:29:32 [Cinderella] latr Shell

21:29:56 [LimeGreenC] bye Lady

21:30:00 [MissB] Claire, I'm at the Poly...forgive me if this comes up twice

21:30:22 [disneylove] oh me too MissB in July

21:30:38 [MissB] I once did lunch at the castle without PSs--and met Cindy and her Prince there.

21:30:42 [Moley] What times do you like to return to the parks after your break?

21:30:47 [LimeGreenC] Moley, my kids beg to eat so they can rest their feet

21:30:48 [BetsyAnn] So after we are all rested and ready for the late afternoon or evening -- what do is next?

21:30:55 [Cinderella] I had to do that with my DH last time. He was soooo grouchy our last trip in August in 150 degree heat! Treated him like a child and brought him back to resort and dumped him at pool while I went to room for a shower and sat with feet up in a/c.

21:31:00 [Esmerelda] Although I just know this vacation is going to be rage-free, any advice for people's stares just in case we have a "problem"?

21:31:01 [BetsyAnn] lol Moley

21:31:03 [disneylove] have never taken breaks we are this trip tho

21:31:15 [Cinderella] I'll be at WL Miss B. We'll have to meet up!

21:31:29 [MissB] Totally agree!

21:31:35 [disneylove] stare back and make a funny face

21:31:35 [Esmerelda] we usually take a break from about 12:30-5

21:31:43 [LimeGreenC] for the afternoon, we either head back to the resort, revist attractions, or head to another park

21:31:48 [MissB] wow, all the way until 5:00

21:31:59 [MissB] Do you usually go back to the same park?

21:32:08 [Cinderella] Just ignore them Esmeralda.

21:32:23 [Esmerelda] we usually go to a different park at night

21:32:38 [MissB] Esme, get a T-shirt that says, I didn't plan it this way :O

21:32:40 [LimeGreenC] Esmerelda, do you have any warning that the rage is coming?

21:32:56 [Cinderella] I left after lunch from parks, took a break until right before dinner and we left early back to park where we were eating. Took our time.

21:33:01 [Moley] Smile sweetly at them and say that your child has meltdowns that only love and patience will help. Excuse you while you administer some medicine.

21:33:03 [Esmerelda] I need to get better on ignoring people-it still bothers me though

21:33:24 [MissB] How have your kids done on the busses?

21:33:25 [Esmerelda] Sometimes warnings, usually not

21:33:28 [BetsyAnn] Esmerelda> from the teacher inside me - you focus on your child's needs and ignore anyone else!

21:33:42 [Esmerelda] LOL-Miss B!

21:34:00 [MissB] Just kidding, Esmerelda :-)

21:34:03 [BetsyAnn] Moley is the woman!

21:34:25 [Esmerelda] My biggest challenge is some people want to "help" but actually make things worse

21:34:51 [Cinderella] Mothers are very sensitive to anything negative said about their child or any mean stares. My son was adopted from Korea and I used to get loads of stares back then. I would usually just smile at them while picturing myself swinging at them in my mind. I"m bad!

21:35:01 [Esmerelda] Moley, I am memorizing your statement :-)

21:35:01 [Moley] Very true, esme.

21:35:06 [disneylove] just thank them and kindly let them know you can handle it

21:35:25 [BetsyAnn] Use Moley's line

21:35:37 [Esmerelda] BetsyAnn> you would think I would have learned to ignore it by now!

21:35:38 [BetsyAnn]>[Moley] ready to try the other way?

21:36:07 [Moley]>[BetsyAnn] No, we're okay. Everyone is having a say.

21:36:10 [Esmerelda] I have to really bite my tongue a lot while on vacation

21:36:24 [Cinderella] I used to work as a spec. ed. aide for years and we always had some type of problem during a field trip. We would just take care of the child and totally ignore anyone's comments. We found that small children were much more tolerant and caring then adults.

21:36:50 [Moley] When you go back to the parks, do you like to stay late into the evening. Kids love it after dark!

21:37:02 [MissB] The only time melt-downs bother me is if the parents keep the child in a show while it happens

21:37:10 [Esmerelda] Good advice, everyone. Thanks!

21:37:16 [MissB] Otherwise, if I look at you, it's with sympathy

21:37:19 [LimeGreenC] If my kids have had a nap and some down time, they like the twinkling lights in the parks

21:37:33 [Cinderella] If the children have time to rest/use the pool/snack/watch some TV, they can probably then stay up later and not be so whiney.

21:37:45 [Esmerelda] MissB, that is my biggest problem-she is 108 lbs-impossible to physically move unless I keep her in a stroller

21:37:52 [DisneyPam] My issue is with the parents who just don't try to control their kids when they go postal.

21:38:02 [disneylove] EPCOT they like too watch the water dance too music

21:38:03 [Moley] If you can stay in the parks past sundown, it is usually a real treat if the little ones are rested.

21:38:07 [Esmerelda] My daughter LOVES going to the parks in the dark-MVMCP is her very favorite

21:38:07 [LimeGreenC] My DS does not like the loud fireworks, so I bring earplugs for him,

21:38:35 [LimeGreenC] earplugs are a great invention

21:38:45 [Cinderella] Why not talk to someone at DW ahead of time Esmeralda and explain the problem and be sure that getting a stroller is not a problem and asking about getting into shows at the beginning of lines etc. to make it easier for both of you?

21:38:52 [BetsyAnn] Good tip LGCheri -- do you ever need them at other times with loud attractions or shows?

21:38:53 [Moley] Earplugs are fantastic!

21:39:22 [Moley] During the gunfire on Pirates.

21:39:23 [disneylove] one bit od advice before I go

21:39:29 [LimeGreenC] The earplugs were the most useful at fantamsic. It is really loug

21:39:31 [Esmerelda] I get her a guest assistance pass, but I get tired of all the hateful looks since she isn't visibly disabled. I need to develop thicker skin

21:39:36 [Cinderella] I use earplugs if DH starts asking me when we're going to leave (LOL).

21:39:37 [Moley] Indiana Jones has loud moments.

21:39:45 [LimeGreenC] Also the Indiana Jones show

21:39:51 [LimeGreenC] lol Moley, jinx

21:40:01 [BetsyAnn] Go for it dinseylove

21:40:08 [Esmerelda] I just added earplugs to my list :-)

21:40:12 [disneylove] let it child plan a day from what park you go too to where you eat,what rides you go on first,they will love "thier day"

21:40:13 [MissB] Be proud, Esme, you're getting her the special treatment she deserves

21:40:20 [LimeGreenC] but Indy's cracking of the whip.... ooodie law! (as I fan myself)

21:40:38 [Moley] The 'their day' plan is really special.

21:40:40 [BetsyAnn] I love that Idea disney love! was going to be a question! Thanks

21:40:54 [LimeGreenC] that is a good tip disneylove

21:40:56 [Moley] It is amazing how creative the kids can be with their plans.

21:40:59 [Cinderella] WE have a handicapped sticker on our car for my FIL and people give us looks if they don't think he seems handicapped to them. He has trouble walking and some days he can get along fine but some days it takes 30 minutes to go a few feet to the store entrance. Just ignore the people who stare.

21:41:02 [MissB] disneylover, how old do you think they can be to help plan?

21:41:09 [Esmerelda] That would be cool. I think I am going to let Elayna plan at least a morning

21:41:14 [PaulF] How do, y'all?

21:41:19 [Moley] Hey Paulie!

21:41:23 [MissB] Hi, Paul!

21:41:30 [BetsyAnn] Welcome PaulF! We are talking about How do you know what would make the "vacation of a lifetime" for your child?

21:41:32 [LimeGreenC] Hi Paul

21:41:38 [MissB] Esmerelda, does she have WDW for Kids by Kids?

21:41:47 [Cinderella] Hello Paul

21:42:02 [Esmerelda] Yes, MissB we just got it. She loves looking at the pictures

21:42:02 [disneylove] I think6-8 is good use the computer show them all the things too do where too eat and take it from there

21:42:28 [PaulF] Hmmm, my child is a dog. I guess it would be staying at 101 Dalmations building and having them build a giant fire hydrant for him. ;)

21:42:37 [Cinderella] She'd probably love taking part in the planning that way disneylove.

21:42:52 [LimeGreenC] There are certain attractions that my kids are absolutely against, (from experience) and I make sure I don't even mention doing them. This makes for a much happier time

21:42:53 [Moley] lol Paul

21:42:54 [BetsyAnn] ROFLOL Paul!

21:42:55 [DisneyPam] no, Paul...your pet is a dog.

21:42:56 [MissB] (speaking of planning, I saw a WDW planning DVD (the free one) sell for $20 on ebay)

21:43:03 [Cinderella] You sound like my son PaulF. He has two dogs who are my granddogs and go with him everywhere.

21:43:15 [LimeGreenC] lol Paul

21:43:33 [disneylove] goodnight all I have 4 sets of final exams too write before exams nexr week

21:43:49 [LimeGreenC] night disneylove

21:43:53 [Cinderella] When we first went with DS and DD, one loved the rides and one was scared to death. We didn't push him to go on rides. Ex went with DD on rides and I went on kiddie rides with DS. Both were happy.

21:43:56 [BetsyAnn] Good night disneylove and good luck!

21:44:01 [Esmerelda] Goodnight, Disneylove. Thanks for your suggestions

21:44:17 [Cinderella] night disneylove

21:44:38 [MissB] oops

21:44:42 [Esmerelda] One thing I learned the hard way, is just b/c they liked a ride once, doesn't mean they won't be scared to go on it the next time

21:44:48 [LimeGreenC] did you all know that if you child swap, if one child is old enough to ride, he/she can usually ride twice?

21:44:49 [James] Looks like you have everything under control here ladies bye goodnight

21:44:57 [Cinderella] I've got to run. Hands turning numb. It's a sign to stop typing. Hope to catch another chat soon.

21:45:08 [LimeGreenC] Night James

21:45:13 [LimeGreenC] Nigth cinderella

21:45:16 [BetsyAnn] Good night James - thanks for stopping by!

21:45:16 [MissB] remember December, Cinderella

21:45:23 [Esmerelda] Cinderella, Thanks for your suggestions!

21:45:24 [MissB] g'night James

21:45:27 [Cinderella] I can't folrget Miss B.

21:45:32 [Moley] Night James.

21:45:33 [Cinderella] I meant "forget".

21:45:39 [Esmerelda] G'night James

21:46:13 [PaulF] I keep trying to get my brother to come and bring his girls (11 and 8 I think). We offer them free room but they still can't afford it. ;-(

21:46:18 [MissB] To do the World Showcase or not when they're young, that is a question

21:46:42 [MissB] Paul, that is tough. I got my brother and his kids to come with that deal and we had a blast

21:46:43 [Moley] Yes to that, MissB

21:46:45 [Esmerelda] OK, I'm bringing ear plugs, I'm going to let Elayna plan a morning, and I'm going to ignore people. Sounds good to me!

21:46:53 [LimeGreenC] It is expensive Paul, my cousins are going to Universal this summer because the tickets are so much cheaper

21:46:55 [Moley] The Kidcot stations make it very interactive for them.

21:47:09 [Moley] And the boat ride in Mexico is very colorful and tuneful.

21:47:19 [Esmerelda] MissB, My daughter likes the kidcot stations, but it is a lot of walking. I hope we fit it in this trip though

21:47:25 [MissB] I saw the Candy Lady last time--she was terrific

21:47:34 [LimeGreenC] My DD loved kidcot stations, we still have her mask from 2000

21:47:40 [BetsyAnn] Miss B I think there a lots of kids friendly things in Worldshow Case -- I also think it is a long walk around and may tire out some children and some adults! lol

21:47:43 [Moley] Kids love the Chinese acrobats too.

21:47:47 [Esmerelda] Is the boat ride in Mexico at all scary?

21:47:49 [MissB] Esme, get her a passport and have the cast members sign it for her

21:47:53 [Moley] And the character bus is fascinating for them.

21:48:05 [LimeGreenC] my kids also love the ride in Mexico, they call it the other small world, because it has a few small world dolls

21:48:10 [Moley] Esme, not at all, if she is not afraid of the dark.

21:48:13 [PaulF] well anyways, gotta go. Just stopped in to say hi. See y'all later.

21:48:16 [MissB] Not at all scary IMHO, Esme, more like small world

21:48:26 [DisneyPam] MissB - WS is great for little ones! They usually LOVE the live entertainment.

21:48:27 [LimeGreenC] Bye Paul

21:48:34 [Esmerelda] The passport idea is a good one-I like to try new things :-)

21:48:43 [LimeGreenC] Esmerelda, not scary, my kids love it

21:49:00 [Esmerelda] Good-Mexico here we come :-)

21:49:02 [Moley] I have to go. I'm having a neck spasm.

21:49:07 [BetsyAnn] I agree that Mexico not really scary

21:49:13 [BetsyAnn] Good night Moley

21:49:15 [Moley] Sorry everyone. Thanks for coming and I'll see you next time.

21:49:18 [LimeGreenC] Bye Moley, feel better

21:49:24 [MissB] OUch Moley, take care!

21:49:47 [Esmerelda] I got some good advice tonight-I will let you all know if I remain sane

21:50:07 [LimeGreenC] you will remain sain

21:50:09 [Esmerelda] Wait-what is the #1 goal? Kids have fun or adults stay sane?

21:50:32 [MissB] both!

21:50:34 [BetsyAnn] Both Esmerelda - both

21:50:39 [LimeGreenC] What about Animal Kingdom? kids love the safari and dino dig thing a ma jig

21:50:42 [MissB] if kids don't have fun, what good is it

21:50:46 [BetsyAnn] How do you know what would make the "vacation of a lifetime" for your child?

21:50:58 [LimeGreenC] adults stay sane, which equals kids have fun

21:51:06 [Esmerelda] I really learned a lot from our last vacation-I think this is going to be a great one

21:51:43 [LimeGreenC] The vacation of lifetime, for my DD is lots of autographs and pictures with the characters

21:51:55 [Esmerelda] Actually, I think it puts a lot of pressure on both the adults and children if you expect a vacation to be the "vacation of a lifetime". It is almost unrealistic

21:52:11 [LimeGreenC] the vacation of a lifetime for my DS is to see Woody and Buzz

21:52:25 [MissB2] Cheri, so your DD would put characters ahead of rides?

21:52:29 [BetsyAnn] That was my thought Esmerelda!

21:52:34 [Esmerelda] I think we need to actually prepare our children that it is not all going to go smoothly-tell them about the lines, that it might be hot, etc.

21:52:59 [BetsyAnn] I also think what adults think make memories and what children think makes memories are sometime different

21:53:11 [LimeGreenC] Yes, but now that she is getting older, she is starting to lean more towards rides

21:53:25 [Esmerelda] My daughter much prefers the shows to the rides-and believe it or not, has the hardest time maintaining control at the MK. MGM and AK are much better

21:53:34 [MissB2] good point, Esme, be ready ahead of time

21:53:52 [MissB2] MK is always the most crowded

21:54:12 [Esmerelda] BetsyAnn, one year we went and stayed at the AllStars-we did MVMCP, did a lot of character meals, and their favorite thing was swimming!

21:54:46 [BetsyAnn] That is my point esmeralda LOL

21:54:54 [LimeGreenC] I've learned to slow down, take time, enjoy their excitment, because all this, will soon be a memory

21:54:54 [Esmerelda] I was so upset-I could have almost bought a pool for what I spent on that vacation, lol. I threatened to take them to a hotel 10 minutes from our house that had an indoor pool for the next vacation

21:55:11 [MissB2] I think my 14 year old nephew liked the concierge lounge better than anything else

21:55:25 [Esmerelda] Yes, Cheri. I think a slow leisurely pace is the best

21:55:34 [BetsyAnn] For most children it is just being with each other on a trip

21:55:38 [LimeGreenC] I see that point MissB, I liked the concierge lounge too

21:55:54 [BetsyAnn] Not being able to do 100 things but a few things with their family

21:55:59 [Esmerelda] Yes-once we stayed concierge and the gummy bears was my daughter's favorite that trip, lol. And the little chair in front of the big TV

21:56:01 [MissB2] "Food all the time? Cool!"

21:56:09 [LimeGreenC] not that is not to say, I haven't said "this is the happiest place on earth, now dang it be happy"

21:56:28 [MissB2] LOL, Cheri, I hope it doesn't come to that often!

21:56:48 [LimeGreenC] not often, ;)

21:57:39 [LimeGreenC] We stay at Allstars alot

21:57:53 [BetsyAnn] Any last comments, questions or tips?

21:57:57 [LimeGreenC] and my kids love the big icons and theming

21:58:04 [LimeGreenC] and using their imginations

21:58:13 [MissB2] Take me, take me!

21:58:32 [BetsyAnn] lol MissB!

21:58:34 [LimeGreenC] My last comment: Enjoy, we don't know what tomorrow brings

21:58:43 [LimeGreenC] lol Miss

21:58:44 [MissB2] I can be a kid!

21:58:48 [Esmerelda] I also find it important to have some non-together time. Even if it just means she goes to the playground and I look at a magazine. We aren't together 24/7 at home and sometimes it is hard for both of us while on vacation

21:59:35 [BetsyAnn] My last tip is it will not be all the things you did not do that children will remember -- but the things you did in play that will make their hearts forever

21:59:54 [MissB2] Oh, very good BetsyAnn!

22:00:03 [Esmerelda] That is great advice, Betsy Ann!

22:00:04 [LimeGreenC] My last tip: At night, get a game plan together for the next day, and enjoy their sweet sleeping faces, becaue it may be kicking again tomroow. LOL

22:00:36 [Esmerelda] BetsyAnn, I think I need some of your parenting classes!

22:00:49 [LimeGreenC] Geesh Betsy, a little mushy :)

22:01:15 [BetsyAnn] I just call it as I have seen it -- children have always taught me how to treat them!

22:01:19 [LimeGreenC] Night everybody! I enjoyed it!!!

22:01:35 [BetsyAnn] Thanks for coming -- It has been fun

22:01:39 [Esmerelda] Goodnight, Cheri!

22:01:42 [BetsyAnn] See you down the road

22:01:55 [BetsyAnn] Have a good night and a great tomorrow!

22:01:56 [MissB2] Thanks Cheri and BA!

22:02:16 [Esmerelda] Sweet dreams everyone. Great chat! Lots of good suggestions

22:22:46 [SusanL] hi


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