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21:00:02 [BetsyAnn] Hey Carol -- how are you doing tonight!
21:00:46 [zakerdog] Good, is there a specific topic tonight?
21:01:17 [BetsyAnn] we are going to talk about how to deal with rude people in the parks
21:01:34 [BetsyAnn] Did you have some questions you wanted to talk about as people are gathering?
21:02:14 [zakerdog] no, nothing particular right now thanks
21:03:01 [BetsyAnn] Well, think we will wait a few minutes and see who might pop in!
21:03:05 [BetsyAnn] How was your day?
21:03:31 [zakerdog] Maybe, while we are waiting, have you ever done the Yuletide Fantasy tour?
21:03:58 [BetsyAnn] No I have not -- I have heard it is really good
21:04:16 [BetsyAnn] Now I just have to remember who posted that report and
which board it was on 
21:04:25 [BetsyAnn] Let me look quickly
21:04:56 [zakerdog] I've been trying to find out when it becomes available for booking. WDW tours don't have a date as of yet.
21:05:33 [DisneyPam] hey kids! 
21:06:01 [MargaretJ] Hi guys
21:06:03 [BetsyAnn] Hwy Pam and MargaretJ!
21:06:14 [BetsyAnn] Hey -
21:06:20 [DisneyPam] I've done Yuletide Fantasy - I was not impressed if you want the honest truth. But it depends on your guide and I've heard they have better transportation as well.
21:06:25 [BetsyAnn] bad spelling already we may be in trouble
21:06:33 [BetsyAnn] I thought you might have Pam! 
21:06:50 [DisneyPam] LOL, Betsy.
21:07:59 [zakerdog] I think we are going to try it this year, my DH and I both love the decorations at Christmas, we are going the 10th of Dec. for 10 days
21:08:13 [BetsyAnn] I thought we would wait a couple of minutes then start -- Pam would you greet tonight?
21:08:34 [DisneyPam] If you need me to, Betsy
21:08:48 [BetsyAnn] I read somewhere that some one really enjoyed the tour - but being soooo old my memory is very bad -- can't remember who or where!
21:08:54 [BetsyAnn] I always need you Pam!
21:08:57 [DisneyPam] Is this a Mickey Mic chat or Park Ranger?
21:09:25 [BetsyAnn] We would be the Park Rangers tonight Pam!
21:09:27 [BetsyAnn] LOL
21:09:37 [zakerdog] what's a Mickey Mic or Park Ranger?
21:09:41 [DisneyPam] * DisneyPam is stilll getting over Mardi Gras last nite
21:09:50 [BetsyAnn] ROFLOL!
21:09:56 [BetsyAnn] MJ - we still have you?
21:10:34 [BetsyAnn] zakerdog - those would be different names for different chats
21:10:44 [DisneyPam] we went to Pat O's at Citywalk for Mardi Gras and to
celebrate my boss' 30th b-day. 2-fer Tuesday...good thing on
Tuesday...baaaad thing on Wednesday.
21:11:23 [BetsyAnn] Is that at Universal Pam?
21:11:52 [SuzyQ] Suprise!
21:11:55 [BetsyAnn] Hey SuzyQ!
21:12:16 [BetsyAnn] Are we ready to start?
21:12:28 [DisneyPam] yes, Betsy. Its a great place but not so fun when it is raining as the main "room" is actually a patio open to the elements
21:12:38 [DisneyPam] Hi SuzyQ! Welcome to Dealing with Rudeniks a Park Rangers chat!
21:13:29 [BetsyAnn] WillCAD had a great couple of definations of types of rude people
21:13:49 [BetsyAnn] Rudeniks: Those who don't know, or don't care, that their behavior ruins the next guy's expensive WDW vacation.
21:13:50 [MargaretJ] Hi Suzy!
21:14:04 [SuzyQ] Ahhh . . .I get it RUDEniks. OK, blondie here - takes
me a second to figure out where I am!
21:14:04 [BetsyAnn] Tourons: People who don't know what time the 3 o'clock parade starts. Pity them, for they know not what they do - literally.
21:14:41 [BetsyAnn] LOL SuzyQ -- us park rangers never do a title that does not have a play on words -- we are just so silly!
21:15:26 [DisneyPam] Should we first come to a consensus on what constitutes rude behavior??
21:15:38 [BetsyAnn] So my first question is : Have you ever had people
either because they are rude or because they are just lost impact your
happy place?
21:15:50 [BetsyAnn] Sure Pam that is a great first question
21:16:28 [SuzyQ] OK, well out of respect, I will leave the sparse CM out of this, but I have experienced rudenics elsewhere.
21:16:36 [MargaretJ] My Matt had an experience with a Touron a couple of years ago.
21:16:53 [BetsyAnn] What was that MJ?
21:17:03 [DisneyPam] I've had lots of them, especially living locally....
21:17:04 [MargaretJ] He was in the Hot Seat at WWTBAM & used the phone a complete stranger.
21:17:31 [MargaretJ] Jay was the Touron who took the call.
21:17:53 [BetsyAnn] lol SuzyQ - I think we will leave CM's out of this disscussion -- and this is really just all in fun tonight!
21:18:09 [MargaretJ] The Host kept trying to talk to Jay who just acted like he did not know what a phone was much less a question.
21:18:34 [MargaretJ] Finally the Host got so frustrated he told Jay to give the phone back to the CM.
21:18:42 [BetsyAnn] Now that would be very frustrating in Millionaire!
21:18:44 [DisneyPam] oh man....that stinks MJ
21:18:47 [BetsyAnn] Hey Travis!
21:19:02 [DisneyPam] Hi Travis! Welcome to "Dealing with Rudeniks" a Park Rangers chat!
21:19:04 [MargaretJ] Fortunately Matt got another chance & got a good Stranger.
21:19:11 [BetsyAnn] Did the CM find someone else?
21:19:13 [Travis] Hey guys...sorry im late!
21:19:15 [SuzyQ] Hey Travis
21:19:18 [BetsyAnn] good MJ!
21:19:24 [MargaretJ] Hiya Travis
21:19:47 [BetsyAnn] no problem Travis - we are just getting started - telling stories - defining what is rude behavior and how to handle it!
21:20:17 [BetsyAnn] One of the frustrating ones is someone trying to get in front of you for a parade
21:20:52 [MargaretJ] Oh yes & they always wait until the very last minute & then try to jump in front of you.
21:21:01 [Travis] grr i hate when they come at the last minute and park right in fromt of you with a balloon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:21:18 [Travis] and a few screaming kids
21:21:34 [zakerdog] I think it's rude how people just leave their garbage around, there is no excuse for that
21:21:51 [BetsyAnn] Anyone had to deal with that and what did you do actually do and what did you want to do!
21:21:54 [MargaretJ] Or better yet when they have been sitting the entire time & then stand up in front of you. Or put their kid on their shoulders.
21:22:16 [BetsyAnn] the trash is also a mystery to me - so may trash cans around
21:22:36 [BetsyAnn] I had a n experience at Spectro in June a couple of months back
21:22:51 [BetsyAnn] years back -
21:22:56 [Travis] i ususally am picking up some trash...what i sso hard with putting it in a can!!
21:22:58 [BetsyAnn] geez -
21:23:09 [BetsyAnn] me, too travis
21:23:09 [SuzyQ] RUDE: When parents curse not only in front of their
kids, but ours as well! 
21:23:23 [DisneyPam] I guess the sitting then standing doesn't bother me b/c before I go to stand behind someone, I always ask if they're going to stand when the parade comes by
21:23:39 [BetsyAnn] True SuzyQ
21:23:47 [Travis] get out the soap suzyQ
21:23:55 [zakerdog] If I have a good spot for the parade, and I see a child behind me, I usually wave them in front - I can see over them, one time when I stepped aside for the child, an adult took the spot, how rude is that
21:24:01 [BetsyAnn] That is a good idea Pam!
21:24:38 [Travis] i guess a few squirts of antibacterial sanatizer would cure that quickly!! hahahaha
21:25:04 [MargaretJ] I have had that happen too zakerdog. I will always let kids in front of me or short people that I can see over.
21:25:30 [BetsyAnn] When I was waiting for Spectro - about an hour early - I chated with the people on either side - a CM came up and said - "people will try to get in here right as the parade starts - don't worry I will be back to help
21:25:47 [BetsyAnn] I told her we have it covered but we would call for back up if needed.
21:26:07 [DisneyPam] Betsy - where were you stationed?
21:26:08 [SuzyQ] RUDE: Laser pens - period.
21:26:22 [SuzyQ] (glad that I can be so helpful to this chat!)
21:26:48 [zakerdog] Laser pens - I like that
21:26:55 [BetsyAnn] two elder women who spoke no english were on one side - about 2 minutes before the parade sure enough a parent shoved a child and hit the women inthe back
21:27:13 [DisneyPam] why on earth do people even bring some things to the park is what I'd like to know? What on earth do you need a laser pen for in WDW???
21:27:47 [MargaretJ] Don't think I have ever seen Laser pens at Disney
21:27:53 [BetsyAnn] I did my teacher look at not the child but the parents and amazingly the parents pulled the child back and we had no more problems
21:28:26 [BetsyAnn] I have not seen Laser pens at Disney -- in a movie theater but never at Disney
21:29:07 [MargaretJ] Someone wrote in their trip report that when someone tried to push in front of them at the parade they accidently spilled their water or drink on them.
21:29:25 [BetsyAnn] That is a good one MJ -
21:29:50 [MargaretJ] Who was it? Anyone remember?
21:29:59 [Travis] i had a lady at the mvmcp yell at me where i was standing....we were there for over an hour and then this lady plops down and when i move she yelled at me becasue ehr daughter could not see the parade!! i yelled right back...i told her THE PARADE COME RIGHT BY YOU!! hahahahahaa
21:30:18 [BetsyAnn] My first thought was Dennis but could have been Moley
21:30:41 [MargaretJ] For some reason I was thinking Kristin & Dave.
21:30:55 [BetsyAnn] LOL Travis
21:31:00 [BetsyAnn] Now that could be MJ
21:31:02 [Travis] all i was doing is taking a picture
21:31:14 [BetsyAnn] I would pick Dave over Kristen though
21:32:28 [BetsyAnn] So do you think people are just rude normally and it comes out at Disney or that they are so worried about getting everything perfect - they overreact?
21:33:09 [MargaretJ] It's probably a combo of both.
21:33:12 [DisneyPam] A little bit of both, Betsy...plus some overstimulation
21:33:45 [Travis] i thinki it depends betsy....some are jsut rude period and others i dont think they realize they are doing it
21:34:04 [MargaretJ] I hate the line breakers. I don't mind a parent taking a kid or someone who can't stand etc but hate when 20 people try getting in front of you.
21:34:36 [Travis] he-he betsy that story i told you comes to mind!!
21:34:41 [BetsyAnn] I tend to think the need for a Disney vacation to be "perfect" just makes people crazier and then some people just don't get it!
21:35:06 [BetsyAnn] that is true Travis - tell at your own risk
21:35:16 [DisneyPam] I agree, MJ...or even worse...the ppl who try to sneak ghru the queue by saying "my family is up ahead" but really there is no family
21:35:17 [Travis] hahahaha
21:35:23 [Travis] to long!!
21:35:28 [BetsyAnn] I am with you MJ - that 20 people thing drives me a little crazy
21:35:48 [Travis] me too!!
21:36:00 [MargaretJ] Yes & before you know it Pammy there are 20 people passing you by.
21:36:08 [zakerdog] I think rude people are just plain not happy people and don't understand it's more fun to be nice!
21:36:22 [BetsyAnn] anyone have a tip for that huge grpup of people cutting?
21:36:32 [BetsyAnn] that is a good point Carol
21:36:50 [MargaretJ] I move over to one side with my arms out & act like I don't see or hear them.
21:37:06 [DisneyPam] Yes, BetsyAnn...just stand your ground and say NO in a firm voice.
21:37:27 [BetsyAnn] I also think people can forget how to play - and that is a very bad thing to forget how to do when you are at Disney
21:37:35 [Travis] i like that tip pam!!!
21:37:46 [DisneyPam] IF it is just one or 2 trying to sneak thru...I always ask them to point out the people they are "catching up with" and have the people wave at them.
21:38:18 [BetsyAnn] I will make a confession - LG and I cut in line at MGM to catch up with MJ, Matt, Dave and crew -- we were not being very good that morning!
21:38:30 [BetsyAnn]
21:38:43 [SuzyQ] Oh, BetsyAnn - you DIDN't!
21:38:44 [Travis] shame on you betsy!!!!!!
21:38:51 [BetsyAnn] Like that wave thing Pam
21:38:56 [DisneyPam] yes...but you had people in the line and there were more of them than you. That isn't as awful.
21:38:56 [Travis] 
21:39:09 [BetsyAnn] I know travis - we were very bad that morning!
21:39:12 [Travis] hahahahaha
21:39:14 [MargaretJ] Not really Betsy, didn't we let the people go in front of us? I know we did when Dave showed up.
21:40:09 [BetsyAnn] I mean at the Gate - and yes we also let people go in front of us in line for something - ToT to keep the group together
21:40:34 [MargaretJ] I don't mind a person or 2. It is the huge group that gets me.
21:40:58 [BetsyAnn] Hey Den!
21:41:00 [WDWDen] Ladies:-)
21:41:11 [Travis] hi WDWDen
21:41:12 [WDWDen] ohh, and Travis:-)
21:41:24 [BetsyAnn] LOL
21:41:37 [Travis] haha glad you cought that den!! haha
21:41:40 [WDWDen] its been a LONG time ince I made a chat:-)
21:41:44 [BetsyAnn] Welcome to Dealing with Rudeniks a Park Rangers chat!
21:41:55 [MargaretJ] Hi Dennis
21:41:56 [BetsyAnn] We are glad to have you Dennis
21:42:11 [BetsyAnn] We are talking about things that can be rude at the parks and how to deal with them
21:42:19 [WDWDen] no problem travis, us guys gotta stick together around here;-)
21:42:34 [WDWDen] ok Betsy
21:42:37 [Travis]
21:42:38 [BetsyAnn] Did you tell a story one time about pouring water on someone who got in front of you at a parade or something?
21:42:59 [WDWDen] me?
21:43:00 [Travis] did you give your diaper tip yet B?
21:43:05 [BetsyAnn] yes you Den
21:43:06 [Travis] hahahahaha
21:43:15 [BetsyAnn] Not yet Travis
21:43:27 [WDWDen] LOL, I dont think so, I would never;-)
21:43:36 [Travis] okeydokey!
21:44:03 [BetsyAnn] One of the funniest tips I have heard is to pour coke into a clean diaper then tie it to the stroller, wheelchair or whatever to keep people from taking it
21:44:07 [MargaretJ] I hate strollers, they seem to think they own the place & run over your ankles.
21:44:32 [BetsyAnn] Oh right Dennis - I don't know why I would think you
might tell a story like that
21:44:33 [SuzyQ] That's a great tip B.A.
21:44:44 [WDWDen] lol
21:44:51 [WDWDen] I like that tip though
21:44:58 [Travis] and i added to the tip......you could also chew tootsie rolls up and place them in the diaper !! HAHAHAHAHA
21:45:06 [WDWDen] my next trip Iwill need one too
21:45:13 [BetsyAnn] ROFLOL, Travis!
21:45:21 [BetsyAnn] yes you will Den
21:45:22 [WDWDen] LOL, good thinkin Travis
21:45:27 [WDWDen] I like your style
21:45:29 [Travis] 
21:45:44 [BetsyAnn] Dennis What makes you leave your happy place when you see it or experience rudeness at Disney?
21:46:15 [WDWDen] hate when people dont move all the way down the aisle for movie shows, like Muppet vision
21:46:31 [SuzyQ] Well, guys, wish that I were more active tonight - just so tired from work. I better get going a.nd get some dinner before I head out
21:46:36 [BetsyAnn] That is a problem sometime for sure Den
21:46:42 [MargaretJ] Oh good one Dennis
21:46:55 [Travis] bye suzyq
21:46:56 [BetsyAnn] Thanks for stoping by SuzyQ Have a great night
21:46:58 [MargaretJ] Have a good night Suzy
21:47:02 [WDWDen] I try not to let things bother me betsy, but sometimes I just get MAD at people
21:47:10 [SuzyQ] Chat with you all later - thanks everyone!
21:47:36 [Travis] that is true dennis! they are saying please move all the way down....and then they just plop down right in the center!
21:47:38 [BetsyAnn] Me too - Dennis I have much more patience at Disney and sometimes I just don't even notice the rudeness
21:48:04 [BetsyAnn] What do you do if the rudenik is part of your party!
21:48:21 [WDWDen] The hotter it is and the longer the lines, the less patience I have:-(
21:48:30 [Travis] <---usually just carries a gun and if someone gets in my way i just shoot them!! haha
21:48:37 [WDWDen] Ohh Betsy, I LET THEM KNOW!!
21:48:49 [MargaretJ] I go out of my way to be nicer if I have a rude person with us.
21:48:59 [WDWDen] I have gone with friends who make me mad
21:49:08 [BetsyAnn] I think that is a great point Den - the lines and heat and humidy do make people grumpy sometimes
21:49:09 [MargaretJ] Eventually they will notice.
21:49:27 [WDWDen] If I go get a drink, or bathroom, they will go into a ride line and then want me to sneak in. I WILL NOT DO IT!!
21:50:00 [WDWDen] Then they argue with me.
21:50:45 [BetsyAnn] Do you walk away Den?
21:50:53 [WDWDen] But then again, some of them get mad at me for walking too fast. LOL
21:51:15 [WDWDen] No, I will jump in line and tell them to let everyone past them:-)
21:51:27 [WDWDen] until I catch up
21:51:35 [WDWDen] Its only fair to everyone else
21:51:39 [BetsyAnn] me, too Den
21:52:03 [BetsyAnn] MJ I like the be nicer to them deal
21:52:17 [DisneyPam] Let me ask you this question....at the counter svc restaurants, they have 1 cash register with lines on both sides...sometimes everyone lines up just on the right side...if you see that, is it ok to go to the left side? Are you "cutting" the people lined up like sheep on the right?
21:52:19 [BetsyAnn] I tend to just tell them we will meet up later
21:52:33 [WDWDen] why do Betsy and Pam and Travis have little people next to your names?
21:52:35 [DisneyPam] Or are you just being a smart consumer and using your time wisely??
21:52:38 [zakerdog] gotta run, it's been good chatting tonight - goodnight everyone
21:52:41 [BetsyAnn] Great question Pam!
21:52:55 [WDWDen] Good question Pam
21:53:18 [BetsyAnn] You need to re-register on the chat page before you come in and then you get to pick a male or female icon!
21:53:25 [WDWDen] I would probably jump in line
21:53:30 [BetsyAnn] Good night Carol
21:53:35 [BetsyAnn] Thanks for coming
21:53:41 [DisneyPam] b/c sometimes what one person sees as rude behavior is just a cultural norm for another person or just makes sense. do you know what I mean?
21:53:47 [BetsyAnn] I think I tend to move to the left side of the counter
21:53:48 [WDWDen] nite carol
21:54:11 [Travis] I go to the line with no one in it....
21:54:21 [WDWDen] yeah Pam, if the line is open, people really shouldnt get mad
21:54:29 [WDWDen] but I am sure they would. LOL
21:54:35 [BetsyAnn] I tend to go left on ride lines too - if there is that option
21:55:09 [DisneyPam] It can be tricky sometimes.
21:55:16 [Travis] seems to be the shortest..right B?
21:55:18 [WDWDen] When ToT used to have split lines, there would be everyone on the left side all the time, I would go right and walk right inside, I didnt feel bad on that
21:55:40 [MargaretJ] I go to the line with no one there, but I will ask first so the others know I am not trying to cut.
21:55:45 [DisneyPam] And rudeness just doesn't happen in parks...it happens in the resorts, on buses, monorails, etc.
21:56:04 [DisneyPam] Thats a good way to handle it, MJ
21:56:04 [BetsyAnn] Good point Pam
21:56:17 [BetsyAnn] That makes me wonder about giving up seats on the bus
21:56:23 [BetsyAnn] Any thoughts?
21:56:32 [MargaretJ] Oh bus stops & buses always have those that try to jump in front.
21:56:37 [DisneyPam] And don't even get me started on the rudeness at PI after a few drinks...
21:56:46 [WDWDen] I always give up my seat:-) hehehe
21:56:55 [MargaretJ] I will always give up my seat to the elderly or a Mom with tired kids.
21:57:01 [BetsyAnn] now you promised not to talke about that Pam
21:57:11 [Travis] i give up my seat on the bus if there is a mother
holding there tired child, or an elderly person
21:57:25 [WDWDen] yeah MJ, right when the bus stops, they try and cut right at the front door, r jump on the back door
21:57:29 [BetsyAnn] I tend to do that too -- in December there were empty sits and people standing
21:57:33 [DisneyPam] I'm of two minds, BetsyAnn...I will offer a seat if appropriate, but often, I get turned down when I make the offer...
21:57:35 [Travis] hahaha margaret...same answer!!
21:58:13 [MargaretJ] What I do not get is people who have little bitty kids & will not put them in their laps to let someone else sit.
21:58:38 [DisneyPam] LOL, BetsyAnn...no...I'm talking about the scary men who make your skin crawl....
21:58:47 [WDWDen] true MJ, a lot of people do that, or put their bags in a seat
21:59:05 [BetsyAnn] Yeah - that is very different - especially late at night and the children tend to fall asleep and slid around
21:59:26 [WDWDen] I guess they are just not thinking, they probably arent really rude
21:59:40 [BetsyAnn] I had a little fall asleep next to me and I wrapped my arms around him to keep him in the seat. He was snooring - very cute
21:59:46 [BetsyAnn] LOL Pam!
22:00:05 [MargaretJ] I don't buy that Dennis. How can they not see 50 people in the aisle while little Jimmy is squirming in his seat.
22:00:15 [BetsyAnn] little one - geez my typing is getting worse!
22:00:16 [Travis] ahhh that is cute B!!
22:01:21 [WDWDen] You know what gets me mad(thought it probably shoullnt) is when the pools are crowded and some kids are acting like animals and splashing everyone. I know they are excited and I am in a pool, but it bothers me d
22:01:29 [BetsyAnn] Any more tips, questions or thoughts on staying in your happy place at Disney when those around you are in their grumpy places!
22:01:41 [DisneyPam] I've heard others bring up the point though, that if they know they won't get a seat, they'll wait for the next bus...so if they waited for the next bus in order to secure a seat, are they rude to not give it up when more people get on and need to stand?
22:02:41 [DisneyPam] I think the best thing to do when you have kids is use the rudeniks as a learning tool of what not to do. And for adults...just be glad the rudenik isn't your SO
22:02:53 [MargaretJ] I don't know Pam even if I wait for a bus & someone like my parents gets on & has to stand. They will get my seat.
22:02:57 [BetsyAnn] I had to think about that one - one night - stand in the bus or stand in the the line - hmmm -
22:03:02 [WDWDen] Pam, ususally young people will not wait for a bus. If they are waiting, they probably are older and should not be expected to give it up anyway
22:03:34 [MargaretJ] I need to run guys. May get
22:03:44 [MargaretJ] May get snow tonight!!
22:03:47 [WDWDen] me too, Time for bed everyone:-)
22:03:51 [Travis] bye margaret
22:03:52 [DisneyPam] g'nite MJ
22:03:58 [BetsyAnn] Good night MJ and Den
22:03:58 [Travis] bye dennis
22:04:00 [WDWDen] see you all tommorow
22:04:01 [DisneyPam] g'nite Dennis
22:04:03 [BetsyAnn] Thanks for coming
22:04:07 [WDWDen] nite:-)
22:04:26 [BetsyAnn] Thanks Pammy for the great chat, thanks everyone for coming
22:04:37 [BetsyAnn] I am going to head out
22:04:53 [Travis] boy that goes quickly!
22:04:57 [BetsyAnn] Have a good night and a great tomorrow!
22:05:11 [BetsyAnn] It sure does Travis -- catch you later!
22:05:16 [Travis] bye B
22:05:24 [DisneyPam] g'nite everone...
22:05:28 [Travis] bye pam....
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